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		<title>By: Rhyd Tybyans</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was ten years old, I was sent away to a boarding school, from which I used to come home twice a year for school holidays.   I recall very well feeling apprehensive as the time came to meet my mother again after an absence of four or five months that I would not recognise her, because I could not summon up a mental image of what she looked like.   However, I always recognized her the moment I saw her, and my feelings of apprehension disappeared after a few such reunions.

I can recall a photographic image of someone&#039;s face far better than I can recall a living image; the recalled photographic image is by no means clear and precise, but it is better than the almost nothing I have in the case of a living image.   Also,  the better I know someone, the less precisely am I able to visualise what he or she looks like.  I have described this by saying that when I get to know someone well, that person &quot;disappears into me&quot;.  What I am meaning by this is that I feel that I cannot recall the visual appearance of a person for whom I have strong emotional feelings because there is so much else about that person that I know, and so much else about what I know that is much more important than the outward appearance of that person, that the superficial outward aspect is lost beneath the weight and volume of all else I know.

I would love to be able to bring to mind and play with clear, vivid images and I have been thinking about the matter on and off over the past few months.  I&#039;ve been experimenting by looking very carefully at familiar objects in my immediate environment and then looking away and trying to recall a picture of the object in my mind.   For instance, I tried to recall what our dining room chairs look like.  Yes, they are wooden, dark wood, yes, they have padded seats that I can visualise, but what do the back-rests of the chairs look like?  I had no idea at all.  So I went to have a look, then I studied them very carefully; looked away, tried to recall the image; studied the back-rests of the chairs again; looked away .... And, after many tries, I thought I had the image of the design of the back-rests of the chairs firmly memorised.  Well, that was about a week ago.  As I sit here now at the computer, the dining room chairs and table are right behind me.  I am in fact sitting on one of the chairs.  And I cannot recall what the backrest looks like!

This morning, having woken up very early, I was lying in bed in the dark and experimenting with trying to visualise things.  I have recently downloaded some information on Image Streaming - http://www.winwenger.com/imstream.htm - and was trying some of the techniques recommended there, which Wenger says will help almost anyone develop an ability to create and use vivid images.  Well, when I deliberately try to visualise an object or person, then I get a blurry, vague, ghostly monochrome image; and when I just close my eyes and wait for an image to appear, I get nothing to break the darkness in front of my mental eyes!

But then I stopped trying and suddenly, while I was in that hypnogogic state, a sudden very clear, bright 3D image of a section of a cobbled path flashed into my mind, and then was gone.  I tried to recreate it, but I couldn&#039;t.  Still, there and then I decided that I am going to make a concerted effort to learn to visualise  at will such quality images.  I am telling myself that it has got to be something like learning to whistle (a sad comparison, because, alas, I have never succeeded in learning to whistle) or, come to think of it, to play the bugle (another sad comparison, because I spent two years in the school cadet band trying unsuccessfully to learn to play the bugle!) and that if I succeed I will have at my disposal a marvellous tool!

&quot;Here is my secret. It is very simple. It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; What is essential is invisible to the eye.&quot; - The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint Exupery</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was ten years old, I was sent away to a boarding school, from which I used to come home twice a year for school holidays.   I recall very well feeling apprehensive as the time came to meet my mother again after an absence of four or five months that I would not recognise her, because I could not summon up a mental image of what she looked like.   However, I always recognized her the moment I saw her, and my feelings of apprehension disappeared after a few such reunions.</p>
<p>I can recall a photographic image of someone&#8217;s face far better than I can recall a living image; the recalled photographic image is by no means clear and precise, but it is better than the almost nothing I have in the case of a living image.   Also,  the better I know someone, the less precisely am I able to visualise what he or she looks like.  I have described this by saying that when I get to know someone well, that person &#8220;disappears into me&#8221;.  What I am meaning by this is that I feel that I cannot recall the visual appearance of a person for whom I have strong emotional feelings because there is so much else about that person that I know, and so much else about what I know that is much more important than the outward appearance of that person, that the superficial outward aspect is lost beneath the weight and volume of all else I know.</p>
<p>I would love to be able to bring to mind and play with clear, vivid images and I have been thinking about the matter on and off over the past few months.  I&#8217;ve been experimenting by looking very carefully at familiar objects in my immediate environment and then looking away and trying to recall a picture of the object in my mind.   For instance, I tried to recall what our dining room chairs look like.  Yes, they are wooden, dark wood, yes, they have padded seats that I can visualise, but what do the back-rests of the chairs look like?  I had no idea at all.  So I went to have a look, then I studied them very carefully; looked away, tried to recall the image; studied the back-rests of the chairs again; looked away &#8230;. And, after many tries, I thought I had the image of the design of the back-rests of the chairs firmly memorised.  Well, that was about a week ago.  As I sit here now at the computer, the dining room chairs and table are right behind me.  I am in fact sitting on one of the chairs.  And I cannot recall what the backrest looks like!</p>
<p>This morning, having woken up very early, I was lying in bed in the dark and experimenting with trying to visualise things.  I have recently downloaded some information on Image Streaming &#8211; <a href="http://www.winwenger.com/imstream.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.winwenger.com/imstream.htm</a> &#8211; and was trying some of the techniques recommended there, which Wenger says will help almost anyone develop an ability to create and use vivid images.  Well, when I deliberately try to visualise an object or person, then I get a blurry, vague, ghostly monochrome image; and when I just close my eyes and wait for an image to appear, I get nothing to break the darkness in front of my mental eyes!</p>
<p>But then I stopped trying and suddenly, while I was in that hypnogogic state, a sudden very clear, bright 3D image of a section of a cobbled path flashed into my mind, and then was gone.  I tried to recreate it, but I couldn&#8217;t.  Still, there and then I decided that I am going to make a concerted effort to learn to visualise  at will such quality images.  I am telling myself that it has got to be something like learning to whistle (a sad comparison, because, alas, I have never succeeded in learning to whistle) or, come to think of it, to play the bugle (another sad comparison, because I spent two years in the school cadet band trying unsuccessfully to learn to play the bugle!) and that if I succeed I will have at my disposal a marvellous tool!</p>
<p>&#8220;Here is my secret. It is very simple. It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; What is essential is invisible to the eye.&#8221; &#8211; The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint Exupery</p>
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		<title>By: blinky</title>
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		<dc:creator>blinky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 13:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am 41 years old and have never met anyone who, like myself only sees black and white when they close their eyes. This became glaringly obvious when in my early 20&#039;s I took a yoga class and was asked by the instructor to visualize different colors in different areas of my body. It really bums me out. All of your entries have been really thought provoking.  I have a great imagination and like one person mentioned above,   I am an avid reader and refuse to see a movie that has been made from a book due to images I have already in my mind of the characters.  Wig that said,I don&#039;t see them as I can&#039;t see anything when I close my eyes
 Only black and white.......the difference between imagination and visualization is really interesting . Does being an ARIES make a difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 41 years old and have never met anyone who, like myself only sees black and white when they close their eyes. This became glaringly obvious when in my early 20&#8242;s I took a yoga class and was asked by the instructor to visualize different colors in different areas of my body. It really bums me out. All of your entries have been really thought provoking.  I have a great imagination and like one person mentioned above,   I am an avid reader and refuse to see a movie that has been made from a book due to images I have already in my mind of the characters.  Wig that said,I don&#8217;t see them as I can&#8217;t see anything when I close my eyes<br />
 Only black and white&#8230;&#8230;.the difference between imagination and visualization is really interesting . Does being an ARIES make a difference?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Glad I found this. At 52, I am in the same boat. While unable to &quot;see&quot; my mother&#039;s face in my mind, I know or...have a sense...of what she looks like. But it is by no means an image. My dreams are as real as life but, when I close my eyes and try to &quot;picture&quot; someone or something, I see darkness. No picture. No image. Just black...sometimes with swirls of gray...on the black background. Upon finding some ideas on the Internet, I am trying an exercise designed to develop my ability to visualize. My computer no displays a simple b&amp;w image every ten minutes. When it pops-up, I focus on it for 10-15 seconds and then close my eyes and try to &quot;see&quot; it. Today is my first day and I have already had some success! You can be sure that I will return to report any further progress. Glad I found you guys! I think we can beat this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Glad I found this. At 52, I am in the same boat. While unable to &#8220;see&#8221; my mother&#8217;s face in my mind, I know or&#8230;have a sense&#8230;of what she looks like. But it is by no means an image. My dreams are as real as life but, when I close my eyes and try to &#8220;picture&#8221; someone or something, I see darkness. No picture. No image. Just black&#8230;sometimes with swirls of gray&#8230;on the black background. Upon finding some ideas on the Internet, I am trying an exercise designed to develop my ability to visualize. My computer no displays a simple b&amp;w image every ten minutes. When it pops-up, I focus on it for 10-15 seconds and then close my eyes and try to &#8220;see&#8221; it. Today is my first day and I have already had some success! You can be sure that I will return to report any further progress. Glad I found you guys! I think we can beat this!</p>
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		<title>By: Boone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 01:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it was normal to NOT be able to visualize, until recently. (I&#039;m 51) Both my sister and I can&#039;t see images at all. Her sons thought we were both lying, as did we when they stated that they could. My sister and I both dream in vivid and elaborate detail but see nothing but black with our eyes closed, while awake.
I am very good at both following and giving directions but I use my excellent memory. My nephews who see images easily have what I consider a poor memory. (although one is worse than the other) Like Bridget, I cannot see my mothers image in my minds eye. I know what she looks like, just fine....bu tI have to rely on a picture of her while awake. I can see both of my parents in my dreams and all kinds of people that I&#039;ve never met, in vivid detail. While awake, with eyes closed...nothing but blackness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was normal to NOT be able to visualize, until recently. (I&#8217;m 51) Both my sister and I can&#8217;t see images at all. Her sons thought we were both lying, as did we when they stated that they could. My sister and I both dream in vivid and elaborate detail but see nothing but black with our eyes closed, while awake.<br />
I am very good at both following and giving directions but I use my excellent memory. My nephews who see images easily have what I consider a poor memory. (although one is worse than the other) Like Bridget, I cannot see my mothers image in my minds eye. I know what she looks like, just fine&#8230;.bu tI have to rely on a picture of her while awake. I can see both of my parents in my dreams and all kinds of people that I&#8217;ve never met, in vivid detail. While awake, with eyes closed&#8230;nothing but blackness.</p>
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		<title>By: Joy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmmm, looking at the site Kyle H recommends


What are the signs of NLD?

    * Great vocabulary and verbal expression    - OK I have good verbal expression but actually not that great a vocabulary
    * Excellent memory skills - not particularly - see my post above.
    * Attention to detail, but misses the big picture - no - not me - I am very much a big picture person
    * Trouble understanding reading - nope - no problems understanding reading
    * Difficulty with math, especially word problems - nope - in fact I find word problems a lot easier than maths requiring mental arithmatic.
    * Poor abstract reasoning - no I have excellent abstract reasoning.
    * Physically awkward; poor coordination - true
    * Messy and laborious handwriting - true
    * Concrete thinking; taking things very literally - no - think very much in abstract terms a lot of the time.
    * Trouble with nonverbal communication, like body language, facial expression and tone of voice - not really.
    * Poor social skills; difficulty making and keeping friends - yes and no - I do have lots of friends but don&#039;t find it that easy, though very easy to make casual friends.
    * Fear of new situations - definately not.
    * Trouble adjusting to changes -  definately not
    * May be very naïve and lack common sense - sometimes - especially when younger.
    * Anxiety, depression, low self-esteem - sometimes - especially when younger
    * May withdraw, becoming agoraphobic (abnormal fear of open spaces) - definatel not


So where does that leave us - and how does everyone else here judge themselves against this list?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmmm, looking at the site Kyle H recommends</p>
<p>What are the signs of NLD?</p>
<p>    * Great vocabulary and verbal expression    &#8211; OK I have good verbal expression but actually not that great a vocabulary<br />
    * Excellent memory skills &#8211; not particularly &#8211; see my post above.<br />
    * Attention to detail, but misses the big picture &#8211; no &#8211; not me &#8211; I am very much a big picture person<br />
    * Trouble understanding reading &#8211; nope &#8211; no problems understanding reading<br />
    * Difficulty with math, especially word problems &#8211; nope &#8211; in fact I find word problems a lot easier than maths requiring mental arithmatic.<br />
    * Poor abstract reasoning &#8211; no I have excellent abstract reasoning.<br />
    * Physically awkward; poor coordination &#8211; true<br />
    * Messy and laborious handwriting &#8211; true<br />
    * Concrete thinking; taking things very literally &#8211; no &#8211; think very much in abstract terms a lot of the time.<br />
    * Trouble with nonverbal communication, like body language, facial expression and tone of voice &#8211; not really.<br />
    * Poor social skills; difficulty making and keeping friends &#8211; yes and no &#8211; I do have lots of friends but don&#8217;t find it that easy, though very easy to make casual friends.<br />
    * Fear of new situations &#8211; definately not.<br />
    * Trouble adjusting to changes &#8211;  definately not<br />
    * May be very naïve and lack common sense &#8211; sometimes &#8211; especially when younger.<br />
    * Anxiety, depression, low self-esteem &#8211; sometimes &#8211; especially when younger<br />
    * May withdraw, becoming agoraphobic (abnormal fear of open spaces) &#8211; definatel not</p>
<p>So where does that leave us &#8211; and how does everyone else here judge themselves against this list?</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lack of visualization ability is often associated with NVLD: http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/nld.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lack of visualization ability is often associated with NVLD: <a href="http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/nld.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/nld.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About 6 months ago I reached a milestone in my work. I was meditating using vibrations. For the first time in my life I visualised and stepped up to a higher level. Anyway since then I have been trying to recreate this phenomenon. One thing is missing though the day after this experience I went down with a really bad cold/flu. Now we know that as children when we run a temperature we are prone to bad nightmares. The sickness seems to break down a barrier. This mean that by using drugs I would be able to visualise. My question is Do I have the ability to visualise and only need practice or do I need assistance to visualise. I don`t believe in drugs They are pseudo so it only remains to keep working. I would love to be able to find a solution since not visualising is the wall between Nirvana and I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 6 months ago I reached a milestone in my work. I was meditating using vibrations. For the first time in my life I visualised and stepped up to a higher level. Anyway since then I have been trying to recreate this phenomenon. One thing is missing though the day after this experience I went down with a really bad cold/flu. Now we know that as children when we run a temperature we are prone to bad nightmares. The sickness seems to break down a barrier. This mean that by using drugs I would be able to visualise. My question is Do I have the ability to visualise and only need practice or do I need assistance to visualise. I don`t believe in drugs They are pseudo so it only remains to keep working. I would love to be able to find a solution since not visualising is the wall between Nirvana and I.</p>
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		<title>By: Joy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh by the way - I can answer all of the Doctor&#039;s &quot;visual&quot; questions above but through logic not through visualisation.  Of course I &quot;know&quot; the difference in colours and the shape of things, but that is because I remember the logical relationships between them - shapes, different shades.  I never said I couldn&#039;t see, just I can&#039;t visualise when it isn&#039;t in front of me. Don&#039;t get his logic at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh by the way &#8211; I can answer all of the Doctor&#8217;s &#8220;visual&#8221; questions above but through logic not through visualisation.  Of course I &#8220;know&#8221; the difference in colours and the shape of things, but that is because I remember the logical relationships between them &#8211; shapes, different shades.  I never said I couldn&#8217;t see, just I can&#8217;t visualise when it isn&#8217;t in front of me. Don&#8217;t get his logic at all!</p>
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		<title>By: Joy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So glad I found this thread.  I too have very low visualisation and learning skills.  Actually educational theorists know about the different styles of learning and that people have different levels of each learning style - but I think I am unusually low on the visual learning.

From memory, the differen learning styles are:

Visual - people see pictures and use visual clues in their language - yes I can see that, I can see your point of view, I get the picture etc

Aural - can hear what has been said, good at memorising conversations/lectures.  Tend to be slower at reading as silently vocalises the words in their head. Learn to read by phonetics rather than whole word recognition. Speech patterns would include I hear what you are saying, I think I know what you are saying ...

Kinesthetic - learn by doing, physical action learning - learn better if can move around, touch feel, repeat (repeating physical action, not rote learning).  Can&#039;t remember the speech patterns for this.

Certainly in the UK all of this is taught on education courses (or the ones I have been on) and teachers are encouraged to include methods suitable for all learning styles in their lessons, but I&#039;m not sure how much of that gets put through into the classroom.

I can remember birthdays, anniversaries, to do lists but could never rote learn - failed abysmally at things like learning French and Latin vocabulary and verb structures but did well at aural French. In drama I could not learn lines but I could improvise. I have really good logical and analytical skills but don&#039;t remember details (I would term it trivial details but that is just my bias). I have a degree in English but can&#039;t quote from any of the texts I have read - I just excelled at literary criticism and at creative writing. Interestingly, I do find things like mind maps help, but only because I remember the patterns and relationships in them and therefore can recreate them, not because I picture them.  I can also think around problems very easily &quot;out of the box&quot; , I think creatively and therefore find problem solving and innovation easy.  I can draw quite well if something is right in front of me, though I find perspective difficult.  I can&#039;t draw from memory at all.

Now for slight controversy.  I don&#039;t think I was always like this.  As a small child I learned visually but  was damaged by a measles vaccine (old dirty type - one of the first ones that actually gave you measles) - this damaged my eyesight so I find it difficult to use both eyes together, it also damaged my nervous system.  This isn&#039;t me saying this by the way and I didn&#039;t know it as a child, I just got clumsy and forgot how to do things (throwing and catching a ball and skipping for instance) - I have been told this by opticians and also by a psychiatrist  (I have a nervous tick and so was sent for analysis to see if I had nervous problems - they said I hadn&#039;t it was physical and is caused by measles - my Mum and I both stated categorically that I hadn&#039;t had measles - we went through the history of when the &quot;symptoms&quot; first appeared in fine detail and finally we said it was just after I had my measles jab - that led to an &quot;I told you so&quot; moment from them).  The reason we hadn&#039;t linked things properly in our minds was that within a couple of days of having the jab I came down with mumps and then immediately after that Glandular Fever and we had always thought it was the Glandular Fever.

Sorry this is so long!

Joy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So glad I found this thread.  I too have very low visualisation and learning skills.  Actually educational theorists know about the different styles of learning and that people have different levels of each learning style &#8211; but I think I am unusually low on the visual learning.</p>
<p>From memory, the differen learning styles are:</p>
<p>Visual &#8211; people see pictures and use visual clues in their language &#8211; yes I can see that, I can see your point of view, I get the picture etc</p>
<p>Aural &#8211; can hear what has been said, good at memorising conversations/lectures.  Tend to be slower at reading as silently vocalises the words in their head. Learn to read by phonetics rather than whole word recognition. Speech patterns would include I hear what you are saying, I think I know what you are saying &#8230;</p>
<p>Kinesthetic &#8211; learn by doing, physical action learning &#8211; learn better if can move around, touch feel, repeat (repeating physical action, not rote learning).  Can&#8217;t remember the speech patterns for this.</p>
<p>Certainly in the UK all of this is taught on education courses (or the ones I have been on) and teachers are encouraged to include methods suitable for all learning styles in their lessons, but I&#8217;m not sure how much of that gets put through into the classroom.</p>
<p>I can remember birthdays, anniversaries, to do lists but could never rote learn &#8211; failed abysmally at things like learning French and Latin vocabulary and verb structures but did well at aural French. In drama I could not learn lines but I could improvise. I have really good logical and analytical skills but don&#8217;t remember details (I would term it trivial details but that is just my bias). I have a degree in English but can&#8217;t quote from any of the texts I have read &#8211; I just excelled at literary criticism and at creative writing. Interestingly, I do find things like mind maps help, but only because I remember the patterns and relationships in them and therefore can recreate them, not because I picture them.  I can also think around problems very easily &#8220;out of the box&#8221; , I think creatively and therefore find problem solving and innovation easy.  I can draw quite well if something is right in front of me, though I find perspective difficult.  I can&#8217;t draw from memory at all.</p>
<p>Now for slight controversy.  I don&#8217;t think I was always like this.  As a small child I learned visually but  was damaged by a measles vaccine (old dirty type &#8211; one of the first ones that actually gave you measles) &#8211; this damaged my eyesight so I find it difficult to use both eyes together, it also damaged my nervous system.  This isn&#8217;t me saying this by the way and I didn&#8217;t know it as a child, I just got clumsy and forgot how to do things (throwing and catching a ball and skipping for instance) &#8211; I have been told this by opticians and also by a psychiatrist  (I have a nervous tick and so was sent for analysis to see if I had nervous problems &#8211; they said I hadn&#8217;t it was physical and is caused by measles &#8211; my Mum and I both stated categorically that I hadn&#8217;t had measles &#8211; we went through the history of when the &#8220;symptoms&#8221; first appeared in fine detail and finally we said it was just after I had my measles jab &#8211; that led to an &#8220;I told you so&#8221; moment from them).  The reason we hadn&#8217;t linked things properly in our minds was that within a couple of days of having the jab I came down with mumps and then immediately after that Glandular Fever and we had always thought it was the Glandular Fever.</p>
<p>Sorry this is so long!</p>
<p>Joy</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad I found this thread!!
I&#039;m 16 and have been starting to realize that I can&#039;t draw upon my memories right. I can retain information about events in my life (who/what/when/where) but I can&#039;t see it. I can&#039;t see faces when I close my eyes. I can&#039;t relive the happy or sad moments I&#039;ve had. I don&#039;t even remember much about anything longer than a year ago. 
I&#039;m just glad to know that I&#039;m not alone, and that I can figure this out. 
It&#039;s the saddest thing to sit with your friends while they talk about years past while you just kinda shrug, not really remembering what they&#039;re talking about. People, Places, Happy Times. If they happened, I didn&#039;t know about it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad I found this thread!!<br />
I&#8217;m 16 and have been starting to realize that I can&#8217;t draw upon my memories right. I can retain information about events in my life (who/what/when/where) but I can&#8217;t see it. I can&#8217;t see faces when I close my eyes. I can&#8217;t relive the happy or sad moments I&#8217;ve had. I don&#8217;t even remember much about anything longer than a year ago.<br />
I&#8217;m just glad to know that I&#8217;m not alone, and that I can figure this out.<br />
It&#8217;s the saddest thing to sit with your friends while they talk about years past while you just kinda shrug, not really remembering what they&#8217;re talking about. People, Places, Happy Times. If they happened, I didn&#8217;t know about it..</p>
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