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	<title>Comments on: Mnemosyne update</title>
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		<title>By: David Carlton</title>
		<link>http://dfan.org/blog/2009/09/11/mnemosyne-update/comment-page-1/#comment-5316</link>
		<dc:creator>David Carlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 03:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Esperanto and Japanese (especially kanji) are pretty far apart.  And I assume Mnemosyne&#039;s 1-5 answer system gets you to the correct difficulty faster than my yes/no answer system.

Hmm, actually, your description of chess positions actually reminds me a lot of mistakes I&#039;ve made when memorizing kanji: e.g. early on I&#039;d only know one character with a given radical on the left side, say, so when I saw any kanji with that radical in that position, my instinct would be that it was the one that I knew.  The last sentence in your comment rings very true, too.  (But it&#039;s presumably a worse problem with chess positions than it is for kanji!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Esperanto and Japanese (especially kanji) are pretty far apart.  And I assume Mnemosyne&#8217;s 1-5 answer system gets you to the correct difficulty faster than my yes/no answer system.</p>
<p>Hmm, actually, your description of chess positions actually reminds me a lot of mistakes I&#8217;ve made when memorizing kanji: e.g. early on I&#8217;d only know one character with a given radical on the left side, say, so when I saw any kanji with that radical in that position, my instinct would be that it was the one that I knew.  The last sentence in your comment rings very true, too.  (But it&#8217;s presumably a worse problem with chess positions than it is for kanji!)</p>
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		<title>By: dfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Esperanto is a lot easier than Japanese! (Though I&#039;m not sure if that&#039;s just a starting condition whose relevance should fade with time as the system adjusts - plus of course we&#039;re using different systems.) I&#039;d say that 50% of the cards I know the answer to immediately, 35% I have to think about for a couple of seconds, and with 15% I actually have to stop and search my memory for the answer (and that&#039;s generally where the 5% I get wrong come from).  So two seconds per card on average is pretty accurate.

With chess I have to make myself take it slower, because a second really isn&#039;t enough time to identify a complete chess position, and it&#039;s easy to just say &quot;Oh yeah, this is the position where there&#039;s a pawn on c6, I remember the move is Qb6 here,&quot; without really looking at the whole position, and of course there are plenty of positions that arise in my actual games that aren&#039;t in my corpus at all, so it&#039;s a real danger that I could, in a tournament, say &quot;Right, pawn on c6, I&#039;ll play Qb6,&quot; without realizing that the position is slightly different from the one I have stored. Or conversely that I&#039;ll get to that position and then be paralyzed because I can&#039;t remember whether it&#039;s really in my database or is subtly different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Esperanto is a lot easier than Japanese! (Though I&#8217;m not sure if that&#8217;s just a starting condition whose relevance should fade with time as the system adjusts &#8211; plus of course we&#8217;re using different systems.) I&#8217;d say that 50% of the cards I know the answer to immediately, 35% I have to think about for a couple of seconds, and with 15% I actually have to stop and search my memory for the answer (and that&#8217;s generally where the 5% I get wrong come from).  So two seconds per card on average is pretty accurate.</p>
<p>With chess I have to make myself take it slower, because a second really isn&#8217;t enough time to identify a complete chess position, and it&#8217;s easy to just say &#8220;Oh yeah, this is the position where there&#8217;s a pawn on c6, I remember the move is Qb6 here,&#8221; without really looking at the whole position, and of course there are plenty of positions that arise in my actual games that aren&#8217;t in my corpus at all, so it&#8217;s a real danger that I could, in a tournament, say &#8220;Right, pawn on c6, I&#8217;ll play Qb6,&#8221; without realizing that the position is slightly different from the one I have stored. Or conversely that I&#8217;ll get to that position and then be paralyzed because I can&#8217;t remember whether it&#8217;s really in my database or is subtly different.</p>
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		<title>By: David Carlton</title>
		<link>http://dfan.org/blog/2009/09/11/mnemosyne-update/comment-page-1/#comment-5311</link>
		<dc:creator>David Carlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, the sequence of moves question is an interesting one.  Not clear to me what to do about that.

Interesting to hear about the Esperanto reports - I&#039;ve been wondering what will happen if/when I stop adding in new Japanese items to my system.  I think you must also go through Esperanto items faster than I go through Japanese items?  Or maybe not - I think the time/item is less when I&#039;m going through 30 items than when going through 200.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, the sequence of moves question is an interesting one.  Not clear to me what to do about that.</p>
<p>Interesting to hear about the Esperanto reports &#8211; I&#8217;ve been wondering what will happen if/when I stop adding in new Japanese items to my system.  I think you must also go through Esperanto items faster than I go through Japanese items?  Or maybe not &#8211; I think the time/item is less when I&#8217;m going through 30 items than when going through 200.</p>
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